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Christine Barbour's avatar

Excellent summary, Seth. I’m sending to my students.

I agree about how stunning it is to see so many people so certain of unknowable things. That said, any estimates of how much damage a late contentions primary/convention does to a party’s chances? I keep thinking it’s a negative all in its own right because its admission of party fallibility.

Also, what’s with the largely white donor class/ pundit position that it’s okay to pass over Harris in favor of the promise of a conversion-produced (white, likely male) savior. Are they nuts? Missing the politics gene? Just convince women, esp Black women, will overlook the insult and fall in line?

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I think citing Sorkin is a bit of a straw man here. If you want an an example of "Angry anti-Trump Dem party white guy who wants Biden replaced" party actor Yglesias is a much better example:

"After watching the debate, I think it’s clear that Harris would be better.

Will she rise to the occasion and become a great politician? I hope so. But I wouldn’t count on it. Would she deliver replacement-level performance? I’m quite sure she would. She wouldn’t say “we finally beat Medicare” when she meant “we finally beat the prescription drug companies and let Medicare bargain for lower prices.” She wouldn’t let her opponent repeatedly — and falsely — claim that immigrants are undermining Social Security’s finances when the exact opposite is true. She wouldn’t discuss crime while forgetting to mention that the murder rate is lower now than it was when Trump left office.

I have a lot of ideas about how Harris could be a better politician and a lot of opinions about which politicians would be better than Harris. But she’s a replacement-level Democrat, and at this point, Biden is clearly below that." https://www.slowboring.com/p/honor-demands-joe-biden-step-aside

Or to put it another way Biden is clearly losing in the national and swing state polls. In order to turn that around he needed to 1. Demonstrate during the debate to doubters that he could still do the job 2. Run a vigorous campaign that would generate lots of earned media about why Trump is bad 3. Embrace moderate positions to win back moderates who are open to voting Trump but don't like him.

Biden clearly failed at number one (and his actions after the debate compounded this problem), he doesn't seem capable of two (hence him still running a "rose garden strategy") and in making deals with people like AOC to try to hold on to the nomination that make three impossible.

And I think that's the core DB argument: not that it's impossible Biden can win (elections are weird and anything's possible) but that the Dems chances would improve somewhat with a new nominee that could actually be capable doing those three things I outlined above.

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